21st January, 2003 - Boom! Out of the blue.. the
following from Rod and Rita Brown.. read on...
If My wife and I have got this right, are you the fellow we send
pictures or info to add to the page ?
I found your site whilst trolling for ICT 1301 contacts. (
that's another story ) But my wife was the demonstration lady ( who liked
skiing ) Rita Nash, now Rita Brown. I on the other hand, have left my sticky
finger prints on the inside of the Ampex TM2 decks at Putney, lots of times,
before moving on to 1900 thru to 3900 . Between us we clocked about 68 years in
ICT/ICL so have many memories, to share.
best regards
Rod and Rita Brown
From: mike curley
[mike_curley@hotmail.com]
Sent: 22 January, 2003 09:08
To: 'rodritab'
Subject: RE: ICT Putney ?
Rod & Rita!!
Yes, yes - I am that man!!
Good to hear from you and to start sharing some of those memories.
For example.......
What was the name of the lady who ran the Demo Room?? Rita was one of "Mrs
???????? Girls"??
Also, any contact with Maureen ??? (what was her name??) who lived out
Chalfont/Gerrards Cross way?? I thought I'd found her about 6 months ago, sent
an email but reply was there - none!
I can remember the 1004 being installed in the Demo room - and I operated the
1500 for another year after that I reckon - then I moved to the ICL Harrow
Sales office - and lost contact with Rita etc... What happened thereafter?? Did
the Demo Girls continue their glamorous work?? etc.... and yourself Rod - why
can I not place you?? were you Ampexing before I arrived??
Let's reminisce...!!
MC
From: rodritab
[rodritab@onetel.net.uk]
Sent: 22 January, 2003 17:23
To: mike curley
Subject: Re: ICT Putney ?
Hi there !
We have contact !
Rita is working on a small "war and peace size" email, which
includes some of the answers you seek.( putney was her base ) Rita still has
the ability to make any computer crash in spectacular style, by just thinking
about using it. so she is restricted to her own laptop.
In my case, I am not sure if we met mike, but the engineers I
took over from on 1300's were Alec Duncan (Scottish, with a yen fur da Wuskey )
and Norman Blackmore.I spent many years keeping the old 1301's in london
running, before working on more modern kit.
I did visit putney, many times, in the last days of the
prototypes, specificly for the TM2's and also got into atlas in London
University, on the same pretext. I am about to do something about 1300's this
very spring, but as I said ( that's another story ).
Keep your eye's peeled for Rita's email, and we will stay in
touch.
Rod
From: rodritab
[rodritab@onetel.net.uk]
Sent: 24 January, 2003 01:36
To: mike curley
Subject: missing links at BHS
Hello, from the 'dead ringer for Wendy Craig'
At last a good reason to join the Silver Surfers in
earnest. I had been thinking about trying a few searches for old ICL
colleagues for some time now (is this a sign of old age?) but as usual there
was always something rather more important or more fun to get on with. I was very pleased then when Rod
announced his discovery of your email. I do hope that you will be able to
track down some of the many names that sound so familiar although I cant put
faces to them all. Have you tried the Friends Of ICL website yet?
First the Demo girls that I remember -
Maureen's maiden name was Stockwell and she left the demo team along with Pat
Manassa and Edwina Richardson to work in a local college teaching Data
Processing. I think Pat went first and the others joined at later dates.
I believe that Maureen later married but I dont know her married name and Pat
was then divorced. Other Demo girls that I remember were Debbie, Ros and
Jackie, and our Glamour Lady in Charge was Mrs Beryl Acty. A bit of a
disciplinarian, had us trained like Air Hostesses but could let her hair down
when she wanted and was very popular with the Salesmen and Directors.
Unfortunately I lost track of them all after I
moved into Sales Support.
I found myself lying awake last night thinking of
all the great times that we had in BHS. Ten pin bowling matches between
operators and demonstrators, ( I think that the operators won most of them),
river boat shuffles, socials/dances in the ICL House Social Club, (some of
which I organized when I was the Social Secretary), and the amazing amount of
time spent in the 8 Bells, otherwise known as ICL East.
I also have to laugh at some of the demo situations
that I found myself in. Trying to run demos involving magnetic cards
which always wrecked and the new continuous magnetic tape cartridges
which also wrecked and then having to endeavor to divert the customers
attention to something that did work, if anything, if not then it was time for
coffee or early lunch with a quick change of plan for the whole day. And
I will never forget the day when I sat down at one of the early video
terminals which was linked to the computer in the main computer room. Just as I
sat down to start the demo my foot touched the metal frame on which the video
was resting. There was a dramatic discharge of static and the whole
system went down including everything in the main computer room. Our
party of prospects were long gone by the time the system was up and running
again and the evening was spent spraying anti static solution on to all the
carpets.
Another memory I have is of one of the programmers
coming into the demo room very exited about an attempt at the first Putney
comms link that he was about to set up. I believe that it was John
Foster. He spent some time linking a Teletype to the 1500 downstairs which
eventually worked, transmitting at the grand speed of three characters per
second (or was it three seconds per character??)
Should the official ICL photographer, whose name I
do not remember, ever read any of this then I feel that I should make an
apology in regard to some of the VIP visits that he was sent to record for the
ICL News. I became so tired of seeing my face in this publication, as I
assumed so would everyone else be, that after a while, every time that he got
lined up to photograph our little group with me obviously in the middle I would
quickly divert everyone's attention to the 'very interesting cabinet on the
other side of the room' so just at the crucial moment as the scene was about to
be recorded for posterity suddenly everyone was looking in the opposite
direction. Whoops!.
I think that this is enough history for the moment.
I am now off to see if I can find some of the old photographs.
Regards
Rita Brown (nee Nash)
- With this flood of good info and memories I
asked if I could 'publish' Rod & Rita's emails verbatim...many thanks for the
go ahead!!
Rita and I say "yes please", proceed with the email publication.
Rita is also trying to remember more which may result in further
info, lowdown, secret's of peoples past. Some photo's may even follow if she
can find them!
I will pass on the existance of your site at the next retired
kent engineers meeting ( drinkup ) and the London MOD engineers, so who knows,
there may be lots more contacts soon.
Keep up the good work, Best regards
Rod and Rita brown
From: mike curley
[mike_curley@hotmail.com]
Sent: 27 January, 2003 10:21
To: 'rodritab'
Subject: More memories.....
Rita!!
Excuse the delay in replying, but I have no documents/photos etc..
here to remind me of Putney days - so I have to let ideas and thoughts
percolate for a while before jumping in with questions etc..
Comments/replies to your email first..........
Yes, yes - sorry about the "dead ringer.." - but that was a Dave
Wilgoss comment - remember him?? I've been searching for people for the last
couple of years - and its weird how successes come in fits and starts. The
Friends of ICL web-site was a good one to find and led on to 4 or 5 old
cronies from ICL Harrow days - and a couple from Putney. One of the disasters
of this searching is ladies changing their names - should be banned in this
electronic age!!
Maureen Stockwell - many thanks (I had an aunt that lived in
Stockwell - and that's what my first few searches have uncovered... "Stockwell
jewel of Clapham and around" - but I shall persevere!!). And I remember Edwina
Richardson but not Pat Manassa or the others you mention, except of course -
Beryl Acty - thanks for that - how could I forget such an unusual name?? In my
own defence I have to tell you that I separated from my wife about 12 years
ago - and she took most of the old photos/documents - then about 3 years ago I
sold my house in the UK but stupidly only left myself 2 days to clear
everything out of it... one daughter took what she wanted/needed and all the
rest I threw out... golf clubs, power drills, tools, computer etc.. etc... -
so now I have absolutely nothing to nudge the old brain cells.
Ha-ha... the summer evenings river-boat cruising and the bowling -
excellent!! Makes me wonder how we managed to live through it - surely we must
have been drinking AND driving??
Yes, yes - the demos that went wrong... that's why you were all so
glamorous.. needing to be able to distract attention in the blink of an eye.
Ha-ha - the static problem and spraying with anti-static spray - reminded me
of a time about 1969 I was working at Construction Industry Training Board
near Croydon - and the 1902 kept getting Memory Parity errors - but only after
about 18:00 in the evenings. It was traced to us... programmers working for a
software house - after hours, taking our shoes off - building up a massive
charge as we ran around on the office carpets - then racing into the computer
room where the first thing we touched was the Teletype Console - BOOM! Parity
error! And the reason it didn't happen in the daytime was because we kept our
shoes on and we had to submit our jobs for running by operators rather than
run them ourselves. Initial fix was to bathe the computer room floor in
anti-static solution, and for us to touch something on our way into the
computer room to discharge.... happy days!!
I remember a 1500 Communications demo..... but I remember an engineer
Clem ??? something or other organising it - also I believe he was at some
remote 1500 Installation and we just watched the tape decks and printer whizz
and perform as if by magic - but you're right - it was s..l..o..w!!
Ha-ha like the official photographer story - us unglamorous louts
never got to see him!!
A little bit more info - just to fill in the missing years - to see
if we almost collided elsewhere........
From approx:
1-Jan-65 to approx 1-Jul-67 - I worked at ICL Harrow - cannot remember
why I moved from Putney to Harrow?? but think it was via Oxford University
Press (OUP) near Neasden up on the North Circular just south of the Welsh
Harp. I think they needed someone to organise their operations ? and I was
deputed by Putney to do the job!
When OUP finished I moved
into Harrow office working for John Minter ? some sort of centralised role for
all the areas in the region ? and then more for Terry Baxter and LNW Area.
Harrow Office
Met Darryl Mills there and
new joiners were John Braithwaite, Richard Sabido, Rita Burhouse, and some
while later Tony Bull, Brian Bold, Ian Limbrick, Malcolm Shuttleworth, Andy
Roland.
Clients were:
- BEA at Heathrow engineering base
- IDV
- Guinness
- Another beer brewery ? Ind Coope??
- Windsor & Newton
Other notables at Harrow
were:
- And here's a picture - supplied by Brian
Bold - he reckons taken at a Christmas party 1968/69 showing left to right -
Mike Curley, Aileen Connolly, Jurgen & Heidi Kraus, Brian Bold and Sandy, Tony
& Pam Hadaway
can see
better on my web-site.
http://mikecurley.simoncjwalker.net/mjc/Papsy-icl-harrow.htm
1967 to 1969 was all racing around the UK working for 1900
Programming (lots of stories there!!), transferring with them to their
Johannesburg office for 3/4 years where we got bought by ICL and called
Dataskil. Returned to UK in 1973 - basically contracting in and around London
(Pergammon Press in Oxford, British Leyland in Cowley, Letts Diaries in
Dalkeith), a year in Saudi Arabia and lots of time in the City - Paribas, UBS
etc.. Then in 1993 to Hong Kong for 8 years and the most recent year or so -
in Singapore. I retired 1st April, 2000 having just completed a very lucrative
Y2K project for Dresdner Bank - which rounded off a wonderful working life -
especially when you think that for years I had helped create the Y2K problem
(being well paid for it too) - and then getting paid even more to fix it!!
Brilliant!!
Where are you and Rod living now - and what are you up to?? What's
his 1301 "project" that he's mentioned in his emails - last I saw of one of
those beasts was in a Dr Who episode where a 1301 console was tacked up on the
wll of the Tardis.
Thanks for all the info so far - hope I've provided a few more
memories....
Mike C
-----Original Message-----
From: rodritab [mailto:rodritab@onetel.net.uk]
Sent: 09 February, 2003 00:08
To: mike curley
Subject: BHS Memories
Just to let you know Rita is Very happy , with the email you
sent back, she is digging for photo's ( even as we speak, and muttering about
how well they are hidden ), and is determined to find more of the early ICT,
ICL History for all to see.
Until then and in answer to your questions, Rita and I live on
the borders of London and Kent, around Bromley way. To get to know us a little
better, visit us at our little home page, shedland robotics
http://web.onetel.com/~rodritab/index.htm. there is information about the
1301 resurection project on the Computing History page, as well as a good 1301
piccy. The site is for our Hobbies and our friends, which are mostly ex ICT -
ICL We use it as a focal point for the retired enginers in kent and to point
interested
people at other places like Friends of ICL , Archaeology and
for me suppliers of electronics. We would like to add your site as an outgoing
link, so if this is ok , just confirm the URL you would like us to use, and I
will set it up at the top of our computing history page.
If in return you could add this email to your site, like the
others, then we would find extra contacts, from the keywords on this page,
linking your visitors to our URL.
Are there size limitations on pictures, when we send them ? I
know this can be a problem so will scale images to suit, if you can advise.
Best Regards
Rod and Rita
Rod,
I may be in a better position than poor Rita - at least I know I
don't have any pictures from that era, so no need to hunt for them... hope
she has some success.
Do I detect from Shedland Robotics that you are about to fire up an
old 1300/1301?? That'd be impressive - my greatest programming success on the
1300's was a Noughts & Crosses program using the Manual Indicators 21 to 29 -
it'd always win or draw, didn't matter who went first - it or you.
That piccie of the 1301 in your web-site is not BHS is it?? It looks
very similar - but I remember a solid wall behind the machine rather than a
glass one as shown.
I'll pop these emails into my site (alas I've just been
de-registered by Google & Yahoo) - they may bring the search engines flooding
back!!
I'll wait for more from Rita,
All the best,
Mike C
I have found my
photographs from Putney days at last. Attached is the best one with many
familiar faces, not sure if one of these is you though.
Have you heard
about the reunion of ops and system people from Putney yet ? It is to be
held in January 26th / 27th at Ascot, Rather
a bit far for you
to travel to though.
Brilliant!! Alas... I
recognise only you and demo lady sitting, second from left - will have to
study it more intensely and wrack my brain!!
You're right.... a reunion in
Ascot, bit far... but you never know........
My site got too big so I had
to split it down into 7/8 smaller ones - and since then Google and other
Search Engines have lost track of it - will update the "Worked" site with
this piccie - many thanks.
I thought about coming to the
UK in Oct/Nov - but it fell through - maybe the end of Jan, flights will be
cheaper.....